{"id":9,"date":"2007-06-08T16:17:36","date_gmt":"2007-06-08T22:17:36","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.minkhollow.ca\/KB\/Blog\/?p=6"},"modified":"2014-09-12T11:54:27","modified_gmt":"2014-09-12T17:54:27","slug":"great-simulations-and-a-kitten","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/minkhollow.ca\/beckerblog\/2007\/06\/08\/great-simulations-and-a-kitten\/","title":{"rendered":"Great Simulations and a Kitten"},"content":{"rendered":"<span class=\"span-reading-time rt-reading-time\" style=\"display: block;\"><span class=\"rt-label rt-prefix\">Approximate Reading Time: <\/span> <span class=\"rt-time\"> 3<\/span> <span class=\"rt-label rt-postfix\">minutes<\/span><\/span><h2>Do Animals Play Games?<\/h2>\n<p class=\"level2\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"..\/Resources\/pictures\/Kipa_Wed_Mouse.PNG\" align=\"left\" hspace=\"5\" \/> I guess it is always possible to discuss definitions, but if one is willing to accept a common-sense definition of play, then animals absolutely play.<\/p>\n<p>Kittens (and almost all adult cats) often \u2018play\u2019 when alone, which sort of eliminates the notion of led training. Watching animals is one of my favorite pastimes, and there is no doubt in my mind that they are sometimes playing. There are characteristic postures that differentiate play from other behaviours in any animal I have observed. A watchful eye can also detect when play turns into something else, which it occasionally does.<\/p>\n<p>Cats, dogs, and most predator species play (I don\u2019t think anyone can convince me that otters don\u2019t play). Some prey animals play also, although to a lesser extent, it seems. Horses, donkeys and goats play all throughout their lives; sheep and cows, not so much. I\u2019m not sure I would call what baby ducks and geese do \u2018play\u2019, and I don\u2019t think adult ducks play at all (I wouldn\u2019t call enjoying a great bath \u2018play\u2019) &#8211; on the other hand I\u2019d have trouble calling some of what parrots do anything *but* play.<\/p>\n<p>Some gorillas and elephants like to paint. There\u2019s even one gorilla (<a href=\"http:\/\/www.solcomhouse.com\/Michael.htm\" class=\"urlextern\" title=\"http:\/\/www.solcomhouse.com\/Michael.htm\" rel=\"nofollow\">http:\/\/www.solcomhouse.com\/Michael.htm<\/a>) who named his paintings.<\/p>\n<p>I\u2019ve been living and working with animals all my life, and have learned that what makes me happy does not necessarily make them happy &#8211; nor do my needs or feelings necessarily translate to theirs. My donkey and horse react and behave quite differently &#8211; and they require different approaches in handling and training. That\u2019s even true with different breeds of dog. I don\u2019t think that\u2019s anthropomorphising.<\/p>\n<p>Knowing that there are distinct differences between \u2018us\u2019 and \u2018them\u2019 doesn\u2019t necessarily preclude some remarkable similarities.<\/p>\n<p>The view of cats (and other animals) teaching through simulation touches on a number of things here &#8211; from what level of fidelity is necessary (and how it might need to change as experience\/learning does) &#8211; to \u2018constrained reality\u2019 &#8211; to how deeply some of this may be rooted in what appear to be natural behaviours.<\/p>\n<p>Cats seem to like teaching &#8211; <!--more-->I think we could do worse than take a model like theirs as a starting point. I\u2019ve had several cats try to teach my dogs to catch mice with varying degrees of success &#8211; but they always took the same approach: drop mouse (I never saw them try this with anything but a small, still lively rodent), step back and watch. Dogs do not see well below the level of their noses, so if the mouse goes between their legs they\u2019ll often loose it. When the mouse gets away from the dog, the cat retrieves mouse and tries again &#8211; each time dropping the mouse closer to the dog. If this goes on long enough, the cat eventually takes the mouse away and leaves. I never once saw the cats try to make it easier for the dog, just give her another chance. My dogs are quite large (and all have been female), so I can\u2019t say if this behaviour would be the same if they were trying to teach a small dog (or even a male dog). And only my current dog (the 4th pupil) has learned any mousing skills &#8211; she is otherwise quite neurotic &#8211; but the best gopher hunter we\u2019ve ever had.<\/p>\n<p>In and of itself this behaviour is not especially remarkable (fun to watch though). What I think is noteworthy is that the cats\u2019 \u2018teaching behaviour\u2019 is different when they are teaching kittens. In the examples I\u2019ve seen the cat will teach the kitten using what might best be described as graduated examples (constrained reality?). First, baby mouse, dead. Then baby mouse, less dead. Then baby mouse, quite lively. As time progresses (and I would assume the kitten\u2019s skill &#8211; level up?) the cat brings bigger and bigger prey &#8211; each time starting with a dead (or nearly so) specimen. If the kitten couldn\u2019t cope, the cat would \u2018dial back\u2019 the difficulty (unless of course, the challenge managed to escape). Gophers and birds were last. I\u2019ve seen both male and female cats do this, although the females I\u2019ve seen were way better at it. In one case the endgame involved bringing a very lively gopher nearly the size of the kitten into my utility room (ack!). The kitten won. Kind of sounds like \u201cMouse Hunter &#8211; the Game\u201d.<\/p>\n<p>So, a new question: forgive me in advance if this is too obvious, or pedestrian. Is the success of the \u2018standard\u2019 game structure (multiple levels, with increasing difficulty within levels) simply a natural \u2018teaching\u2019 format?Hunting behaviour is a pretty complex behaviour (is it just a skill or does it also have a cognitive aspect?). Are there known examples of this teaching format being used by other animals to teach other things? What other formats exist? Are we using any approaches (successfully) that *don\u2019t* have a natural counterpart?<\/p>\n<p>Oh and out of curiosity, if we view the cat-teaching-dog-to-mouse thing as a game, who is the player?<\/p>\n<div class='wp_likes' id='wp_likes_post-9'><a class='like' href=\"javascript:wp_likes.like(9);\" title='' ><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/minkhollow.ca\/beckerblog\/wp-content\/plugins\/wp-likes\/images\/like.png\" alt='' border='0'\/><\/a><span class='text'>Be the first to like.<\/span><\/p>\n<div class='like' ><a href=\"javascript:wp_likes.like(9);\">Like<\/a><\/div>\n<div class='unlike' ><a href=\"javascript:wp_likes.unlike(9);\">Unlike<\/a><\/div>\n<\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p><span class=\"span-reading-time rt-reading-time\" style=\"display: block;\"><span class=\"rt-label rt-prefix\">Approximate Reading Time: <\/span> <span class=\"rt-time\"> 3<\/span> <span class=\"rt-label rt-postfix\">minutes<\/span><\/span>Do Animals Play Games? I guess it is always possible to discuss definitions, but if one is willing to accept a common-sense definition of play, then animals absolutely play. Kittens (and almost all adult cats) often \u2018play\u2019 when alone, which &hellip; <a class=\"more-link\" href=\"https:\/\/minkhollow.ca\/beckerblog\/2007\/06\/08\/great-simulations-and-a-kitten\/\">Continue reading <span class=\"meta-nav\">&rarr;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"jetpack_post_was_ever_published":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_access":"","_jetpack_dont_email_post_to_subs":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_tier_id":0,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paywalled_content":false,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":"","jetpack_publicize_message":"","jetpack_publicize_feature_enabled":true,"jetpack_social_post_already_shared":false,"jetpack_social_options":{"image_generator_settings":{"template":"highway","default_image_id":0,"font":"","enabled":false},"version":2}},"categories":[9,12,14,351],"tags":[31,34,19,393,169],"class_list":["post-9","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-educational-technology","category-games","category-general","category-nature-animals-urbanrural-life","tag-game-studies","tag-kittens","tag-play","tag-teaching-learning","tag-what-is-a-game"],"jetpack_publicize_connections":[],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","jetpack_shortlink":"https:\/\/wp.me\/p4Hsb6-9","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"jetpack-related-posts":[{"id":1510,"url":"https:\/\/minkhollow.ca\/beckerblog\/2010\/12\/11\/ea-says-single-player-games-are-finished\/","url_meta":{"origin":9,"position":0},"title":"EA says single-player games are finished?","author":"Katrin Becker","date":"December 11, 2010","format":false,"excerpt":"Frank Gibeau from EA says: I volunteer you to speak to EA\u2019s studio heads; they\u2019ll tell you the same thing. 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