{"id":865,"date":"2010-07-09T14:56:39","date_gmt":"2010-07-09T20:56:39","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/minkhollow.ca\/beckerblog\/?p=865"},"modified":"2015-09-29T10:09:08","modified_gmt":"2015-09-29T16:09:08","slug":"knowing-x-does-not-imply-knowing-y","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/minkhollow.ca\/beckerblog\/2010\/07\/09\/knowing-x-does-not-imply-knowing-y\/","title":{"rendered":"Knowing &#8216;X&#8217; does not imply knowing &#8216;Y&#8217;"},"content":{"rendered":"<span class=\"span-reading-time rt-reading-time\" style=\"display: block;\"><span class=\"rt-label rt-prefix\">Approximate Reading Time: <\/span> <span class=\"rt-time\"> 2<\/span> <span class=\"rt-label rt-postfix\">minutes<\/span><\/span><p>Earlier this spring, I had a lovely conversation with a fellow game researcher and enthusiast (Jostein Hassel) about how digital games are related to non-digital games. I learned a lot from this conversation (more on that in an upcoming post).<\/p>\n<p>One of the things that came out of that conversation was a crystallization of an idea that has been rattling around in my head for years (see title above).<\/p>\n<h3>&#8220;I know about THAT because I know about THIS and there are some similarities.&#8221;<\/h3>\n<p>Just because I have played solitaire<em> does not mean I understand games<\/em>.<\/p>\n<p>I am an expert on computer games. That does NOT make me an expert on RPGs, LARPs, board games, &#8230;.<\/p>\n<p>Note: and this is <em><strong>really<\/strong><\/em> crucial: <strong>The reverse is also true. <\/strong><\/p>\n<p>So knowing something about in-class role-play games does <em><strong>not<\/strong><\/em> qualify you to make claims about digital games. This is an assumption I have often heard from Education academics.<\/p>\n<p>Here is a fairly typical response on the subject of digital games being distinct from other forms of games:<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<pre>It matters not. if some appeal and others don't -\r\nI have no skill in computer games so use them little -\r\nbut they are the 'same'!<\/pre>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>Someone who does not play or use computer games feels qualified to judge them? To claim they are the same as board games and in-class simulations?<\/p>\n<p>That would be like making a pronouncement on Shakespeare&#8217;s works without ever having read a single one. We would think that&#8217;s preposterous (or should). Why are we supposed to take this dreck from educators? <a href=\"http:\/\/harlanellison.com\/interview.htm\">Harlan Ellison<\/a> made the point very well:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>When I reviewed television, people said &#8220;If you hate television so much, how come you&#8217;ve got a television set in your house?&#8221;. Stephen King even said &#8220;You know, Harlan&#8217;s got a big TV.&#8221;. Yes, that&#8217;s right. I try to\u00a0 be courant. I try to know what it is I&#8217;m talking about. I am not like many people who give you an opinion based on some sort of idiot hearsay or some kind of gut feeling you cannot validate. When I give an opinion, I do my best to make sure it is based on <strong>information<\/strong>.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>You don&#8217;t have to be a hard-core gamer to be able to talk about games. BUT&#8230;.<\/p>\n<p>If you want to offer an opinion about digital games,\u00a0 <em><strong>you MUST play some.<\/strong><\/em> If you don&#8217;t play games you have no scholarly authority to talk about them.<\/p>\n<p>And here&#8217;s the kicker for a lot of Educationists: if you don&#8217;t play digital games, you have NO business making educational ones.<\/p>\n<p><input id=\"gwProxy\" type=\"hidden\" \/> <input id=\"jsProxy\" type=\"hidden\" \/><\/p>\n<div class='wp_likes' id='wp_likes_post-865'><a class='like' href=\"javascript:wp_likes.like(865);\" title='Like' ><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/minkhollow.ca\/beckerblog\/wp-content\/plugins\/wp-likes\/images\/like.png\" alt='' border='0'\/><\/a><span class='text'>1 person likes this post.<\/span><\/p>\n<div class='like' ><a href=\"javascript:wp_likes.like(865);\">Like<\/a><\/div>\n<div class='unlike' ><a href=\"javascript:wp_likes.unlike(865);\">Unlike<\/a><\/div>\n<\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p><span class=\"span-reading-time rt-reading-time\" style=\"display: block;\"><span class=\"rt-label rt-prefix\">Approximate Reading Time: <\/span> <span class=\"rt-time\"> 2<\/span> <span class=\"rt-label rt-postfix\">minutes<\/span><\/span>Earlier this spring, I had a lovely conversation with a fellow game researcher and enthusiast (Jostein Hassel) about how digital games are related to non-digital games. I learned a lot from this conversation (more on that in an upcoming post). &hellip; <a class=\"more-link\" href=\"https:\/\/minkhollow.ca\/beckerblog\/2010\/07\/09\/knowing-x-does-not-imply-knowing-y\/\">Continue reading <span class=\"meta-nav\">&rarr;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"jetpack_post_was_ever_published":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_access":"","_jetpack_dont_email_post_to_subs":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_tier_id":0,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paywalled_content":false,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":"","jetpack_publicize_message":"","jetpack_publicize_feature_enabled":true,"jetpack_social_post_already_shared":false,"jetpack_social_options":{"image_generator_settings":{"template":"highway","default_image_id":0,"font":"","enabled":false},"version":2}},"categories":[9,12,14,24],"tags":[388,41,389,31,13,16,53],"class_list":["post-865","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-educational-technology","category-games","category-general","category-teaching-learning","tag-academia","tag-education","tag-educational-technology","tag-game-studies","tag-games-in-society","tag-instructional-design","tag-technology"],"jetpack_publicize_connections":[],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","jetpack_shortlink":"https:\/\/wp.me\/p4Hsb6-dX","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"jetpack-related-posts":[{"id":790,"url":"https:\/\/minkhollow.ca\/beckerblog\/2010\/06\/08\/why-educational-games-are-still-boring\/","url_meta":{"origin":865,"position":0},"title":"Why Educational Games are still boring&#8230;","author":"Katrin Becker","date":"June 8, 2010","format":false,"excerpt":"One of the things I keep coming up against again and again is the 'language' problem. 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