{"id":3813,"date":"2014-03-04T15:44:52","date_gmt":"2014-03-04T22:44:52","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/minkhollow.ca\/beckerblog\/?p=3813"},"modified":"2014-09-12T11:56:48","modified_gmt":"2014-09-12T17:56:48","slug":"stephen-downes-comment-on-the-post-article-does-discovery-learning-prepare-alberta-students-for-the-21st-century-or-will-it-toss-out-a-top-tier-education-system","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/minkhollow.ca\/beckerblog\/2014\/03\/04\/stephen-downes-comment-on-the-post-article-does-discovery-learning-prepare-alberta-students-for-the-21st-century-or-will-it-toss-out-a-top-tier-education-system\/","title":{"rendered":"Stephen Downes&#8217; comment on the Post Article: Does \u2018discovery learning\u2019 prepare Alberta students for the 21st century or will it toss out a top tier education system?"},"content":{"rendered":"<span class=\"span-reading-time rt-reading-time\" style=\"display: block;\"><span class=\"rt-label rt-prefix\">Approximate Reading Time: <\/span> <span class=\"rt-time\"> 2<\/span> <span class=\"rt-label rt-postfix\">minutes<\/span><\/span><p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.downes.ca\/post\/61874\">~ Stephen&#8217;s Web<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p><strong><a href=\"http:\/\/news.nationalpost.com\/2014\/02\/28\/does-discovery-learning-prepare-alberta-students-for-the-21st-century-or-will-it-toss-out-a-top-tier-education-system\/\">Does \u2018discovery learning\u2019 prepare Alberta students for the 21st century or will it toss out a top tier education system?<\/a><\/strong><\/p>\n<p>I have long thought that &#8220;talent&#8221; is something people are born with &#8211; they may have more or less, but without enough of it, no amount of training can help someone become great at something. W\/o &#8220;natural&#8221; musical talent someone can study an instrument and become good, but never great.<\/p>\n<p>The same is true for teaching, and what worries me about this move away from structured education is that it requires teachers with actual teaching talent in order to succeed. I know many extraordinary teachers, but I also know many mediocre ones, and I worry what can happen when they are asked to abandon the &#8220;traditional teaching methods&#8221;.<\/p>\n<p>In many ways, the traditional structure of formal education provides a framework within which uninspired, untalented, and novice teachers can work effectively. It&#8217;s kind of like the ideas behind software engineering. Software engineering is &#8220;programming for those who cannot.&#8221; (Quote from Edsger Dijkstra). Structured teaching works adequately in the hands of those who have little talent for teaching.<\/p>\n<p>Now, some novice teachers can move beyond the structure and ultimately become superb teachers &#8211; we all probably know a few of these. But note: we all probably know <em><strong>only a<\/strong><\/em><strong> few<\/strong> of all the teachers who stood in front of our classrooms.<\/p>\n<p>Now think of your more average and your uninspired or even lousy teachers and imagine\u00a0 what would happen to the kids in <em>their<\/em> classes if those teachers are forced to adopt a &#8220;discovery learning&#8221; model. Yikes!<\/p>\n<p>Perhaps even worse, teaching teachers how to do discovery learning requires Education faculty who are also talented &#8211; and I fear the percentage of extraordinary Ed faculty is considerably smaller than the percentage of extraordinary teachers.<\/p>\n<p>Discovery learning is the educational equivalent of improv (or jazz) &#8230;. not everyone can do that.<\/p>\n<div class='wp_likes' id='wp_likes_post-3813'><a class='like' href=\"javascript:wp_likes.like(3813);\" title='' ><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/minkhollow.ca\/beckerblog\/wp-content\/plugins\/wp-likes\/images\/like.png\" alt='' border='0'\/><\/a><span class='text'>Be the first to like.<\/span><\/p>\n<div class='like' ><a href=\"javascript:wp_likes.like(3813);\">Like<\/a><\/div>\n<div class='unlike' ><a href=\"javascript:wp_likes.unlike(3813);\">Unlike<\/a><\/div>\n<\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p><span class=\"span-reading-time rt-reading-time\" style=\"display: block;\"><span class=\"rt-label rt-prefix\">Approximate Reading Time: <\/span> <span class=\"rt-time\"> 2<\/span> <span class=\"rt-label rt-postfix\">minutes<\/span><\/span>~ Stephen&#8217;s Web. Does \u2018discovery learning\u2019 prepare Alberta students for the 21st century or will it toss out a top tier education system? I have long thought that &#8220;talent&#8221; is something people are born with &#8211; they may have more &hellip; <a class=\"more-link\" href=\"https:\/\/minkhollow.ca\/beckerblog\/2014\/03\/04\/stephen-downes-comment-on-the-post-article-does-discovery-learning-prepare-alberta-students-for-the-21st-century-or-will-it-toss-out-a-top-tier-education-system\/\">Continue reading <span class=\"meta-nav\">&rarr;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"jetpack_post_was_ever_published":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_access":"","_jetpack_dont_email_post_to_subs":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_tier_id":0,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paywalled_content":false,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":"","jetpack_publicize_message":"","jetpack_publicize_feature_enabled":true,"jetpack_social_post_already_shared":false,"jetpack_social_options":{"image_generator_settings":{"template":"highway","default_image_id":0,"font":"","enabled":false},"version":2}},"categories":[9,14,24],"tags":[141,388,41,393],"class_list":["post-3813","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-educational-technology","category-general","category-teaching-learning","tag-21st-century-learning","tag-academia","tag-education","tag-teaching-learning"],"jetpack_publicize_connections":[],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","jetpack_shortlink":"https:\/\/wp.me\/p4Hsb6-Zv","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"jetpack-related-posts":[{"id":1885,"url":"https:\/\/minkhollow.ca\/beckerblog\/2011\/11\/30\/donald-clark-plan-b-21st-century-skills-are-so-last-century\/","url_meta":{"origin":3813,"position":0},"title":"Donald Clark Plan B: 21st Century Skills are so last century!","author":"Katrin Becker","date":"November 30, 2011","format":false,"excerpt":"Donald Clark Plan B: 21st Century Skills are so last century!. Hmmmm... Wonder if formal Education (and the associated formal Educators) will be able to see the irony that's being highlighted here? I also like Steven Downes' list: My list is very different: - emergent thinking: extracting patterns, rules, regularities,\u2026","rel":"","context":"In &quot;Educational Technology&quot;","block_context":{"text":"Educational Technology","link":"https:\/\/minkhollow.ca\/beckerblog\/category\/educational-technology\/"},"img":{"alt_text":"","src":"","width":0,"height":0},"classes":[]},{"id":4919,"url":"https:\/\/minkhollow.ca\/beckerblog\/2015\/07\/01\/is-the-clark-kozma-debate-still-a-thing\/","url_meta":{"origin":3813,"position":1},"title":"Is the Clark-Kozma Debate still a Thing?","author":"Katrin Becker","date":"July 1, 2015","format":false,"excerpt":"\u00a0My most popular academia.edu paper is this one:\u00a0The Clark-Kozma Debate in the 21st Century. It ends up being my most popular paper almost every week. Go figure. \u00a0 I wonder if that means the debate still rages, or if it simply means education faculties keep assigning it as research\/reading? 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Turns out, this paper is required reading in a number of courses, both at the undergrad and the grad level. Cool. This paper takes a fresh look\u2026","rel":"","context":"In &quot;Academia&quot;","block_context":{"text":"Academia","link":"https:\/\/minkhollow.ca\/beckerblog\/category\/academia\/"},"img":{"alt_text":"\u00a9 K.Becker 2016 ","src":"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/minkhollow.ca\/beckerblog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/08\/0212-clark-kozma3-300x124.png?resize=350%2C200","width":350,"height":200},"classes":[]},{"id":2597,"url":"https:\/\/minkhollow.ca\/beckerblog\/2012\/08\/16\/dont-confuse-technology-with-teaching-commentary-the-chronicle-of-higher-education\/","url_meta":{"origin":3813,"position":3},"title":"Don&#8217;t Confuse Technology With Teaching &#8211; Commentary &#8211; The Chronicle of Higher Education","author":"Katrin Becker","date":"August 16, 2012","format":false,"excerpt":"Don't Confuse Technology With Teaching - Commentary - The Chronicle of Higher Education. Excellent. Like I've been saying for many years: education is NOT efficient. You can't make it efficient without losing value. Online learning is not equivalent to good f2f learning. It is especially not better*. 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