{"id":1790,"date":"2011-07-16T09:53:54","date_gmt":"2011-07-16T15:53:54","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/minkhollow.ca\/beckerblog\/?p=1790"},"modified":"2014-09-12T11:46:50","modified_gmt":"2014-09-12T17:46:50","slug":"comments-on-bartle-current-social-games-are-not-fun","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/minkhollow.ca\/beckerblog\/2011\/07\/16\/comments-on-bartle-current-social-games-are-not-fun\/","title":{"rendered":"Comments on Bartle: &#8216;Current Social Games Are Not Fun&#8217;"},"content":{"rendered":"<span class=\"span-reading-time rt-reading-time\" style=\"display: block;\"><span class=\"rt-label rt-prefix\">Approximate Reading Time: <\/span> <span class=\"rt-time\"> &lt; 1<\/span> <span class=\"rt-label rt-postfix\">minute<\/span><\/span><p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.gamasutra.com\/view\/news\/35551\/Gamelab_2011_MUD_Creator_Bartle_Current_Social_Games_Are_Not_Fun.php\">Gamasutra &#8211; News &#8211; Gamelab 2011: MUD Creator Bartle: &#8216;Current Social Games Are Not Fun&#8217;<\/a>. (<strong>June 30, 2011)<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Mostly, I agree.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Most games on Facebook, &#8220;despite being called social, are basically solo  games, with a veneer, just a simple layer on top where you ask your  friends to do something for you in the game,&#8221; says Bartle. &#8220;You&#8217;re not  going to make new friends, you&#8217;re not going to form alliances, or do  anything like that playing <em>FarmVille<\/em>.&#8221;<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Personally, I&#8217;m not really into actual social games, so this suits me just fine.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Sometimes these games do have things mixed in which are actually fun to  play. &#8220;The difference is, social games rely on the extrinsic rewards so  as to be compelling,&#8221; he says. &#8220;People keep playing the game because it  keeps giving them things &#8211; rewards.&#8221; This has led to gamification.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Are people really that easily satisfied? All it takes is a sticker or a badge? What ever happened to feeling a sense of accomplishment for, oh, I dunno, <strong><em>actually accomplishing something?<\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n<blockquote><p>&#8220;In the hands of designers, this has a great deal of potential, but  unfortunately it&#8217;s not in the hands of designers, it&#8217;s in the hands of  marketers.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>And, folks, THAT&#8217;S what most of the so-called social games are all about.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>&#8220;If you&#8217;re not paying for something, you&#8217;re not the customer, you&#8217;re the product being sold.&#8221; Andrew Lewis<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Try it. <a href=\"http:\/\/collusion.toolness.org\/\" target=\"_blank\">http:\/\/collusion.toolness.org\/<\/a> Install the add-on and look at how many people are watching what you are doing on the web.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<div class='wp_likes' id='wp_likes_post-1790'><a class='like' href=\"javascript:wp_likes.like(1790);\" title='' ><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/minkhollow.ca\/beckerblog\/wp-content\/plugins\/wp-likes\/images\/like.png\" alt='' border='0'\/><\/a><span class='text'>Be the first to like.<\/span><\/p>\n<div class='like' ><a href=\"javascript:wp_likes.like(1790);\">Like<\/a><\/div>\n<div class='unlike' ><a href=\"javascript:wp_likes.unlike(1790);\">Unlike<\/a><\/div>\n<\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p><span class=\"span-reading-time rt-reading-time\" style=\"display: block;\"><span class=\"rt-label rt-prefix\">Approximate Reading Time: <\/span> <span class=\"rt-time\"> &lt; 1<\/span> <span class=\"rt-label rt-postfix\">minute<\/span><\/span>Gamasutra &#8211; News &#8211; Gamelab 2011: MUD Creator Bartle: &#8216;Current Social Games Are Not Fun&#8217;. (June 30, 2011) Mostly, I agree. Most games on Facebook, &#8220;despite being called social, are basically solo games, with a veneer, just a simple layer &hellip; <a class=\"more-link\" href=\"https:\/\/minkhollow.ca\/beckerblog\/2011\/07\/16\/comments-on-bartle-current-social-games-are-not-fun\/\">Continue reading <span class=\"meta-nav\">&rarr;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"jetpack_post_was_ever_published":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_access":"","_jetpack_dont_email_post_to_subs":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_tier_id":0,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paywalled_content":false,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":"","jetpack_publicize_message":"","jetpack_publicize_feature_enabled":true,"jetpack_social_post_already_shared":false,"jetpack_social_options":{"image_generator_settings":{"template":"highway","default_image_id":0,"font":"","enabled":false},"version":2}},"categories":[12,14],"tags":[342,13,103],"class_list":["post-1790","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-games","category-general","tag-games-gaming","tag-games-in-society","tag-society"],"jetpack_publicize_connections":[],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","jetpack_shortlink":"https:\/\/wp.me\/p4Hsb6-sS","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"jetpack-related-posts":[{"id":1642,"url":"https:\/\/minkhollow.ca\/beckerblog\/2011\/04\/02\/the-ludologist-gamification-backlash-roundup\/","url_meta":{"origin":1790,"position":0},"title":"The Ludologist \u00bb Gamification Backlash Roundup","author":"Katrin Becker","date":"April 2, 2011","format":false,"excerpt":"Nice summary. The Ludologist \u00bb Gamification Backlash Roundup. For me the most important comment is this one: Sebastian Deterding\u2019s Pawned. Gamification and Its Discontents: \u201cGames are not fun because they are games, but when they are well-designed.\u201d","rel":"","context":"In &quot;Gamification&quot;","block_context":{"text":"Gamification","link":"https:\/\/minkhollow.ca\/beckerblog\/category\/gamification-2\/"},"img":{"alt_text":"","src":"","width":0,"height":0},"classes":[]},{"id":6501,"url":"https:\/\/minkhollow.ca\/beckerblog\/2017\/08\/05\/5-mistaken-differences-between-education-games-and-the-gamification-of-education\/","url_meta":{"origin":1790,"position":1},"title":"5 mistaken differences between education games and the gamification of education","author":"Katrin Becker","date":"August 5, 2017","format":false,"excerpt":"And 12 ways in which these ideas are problematic. Gamification is generally defined as the use of game design elements in non-game contexts. Fair enough. But this is pretty much where the article goes off the rails. (She's not alone). 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