{"id":878,"date":"2010-07-21T16:26:38","date_gmt":"2010-07-21T22:26:38","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/minkhollow.ca\/beckerblog\/?p=878"},"modified":"2014-09-12T12:02:04","modified_gmt":"2014-09-12T18:02:04","slug":"why-cant-edtechs-get-along-with-it-and-how-that-effects-education","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/minkhollow.ca\/beckerblog\/2010\/07\/21\/why-cant-edtechs-get-along-with-it-and-how-that-effects-education\/","title":{"rendered":"Why can&#8217;t EdTechs get along with IT, and how that effects Education"},"content":{"rendered":"<span class=\"span-reading-time rt-reading-time\" style=\"display: block;\"><span class=\"rt-label rt-prefix\">Approximate Reading Time: <\/span> <span class=\"rt-time\"> 3<\/span> <span class=\"rt-label rt-postfix\">minutes<\/span><\/span><p>Why do so many people in Ed Tech denigrate people who actually know tech? Isn&#8217;t knowing tech supposed to be a <em>good<\/em> thing? Do people <em>with <\/em>Education degrees feel that they are somehow better than the rest of us because they are formally trained in Education? I often get the impression they look down their noses at those of us who are not formally trained in Ed, and who still try and teach what we know. Or is there something else going on? Do Ed Tech&#8217;s feel exposed when they have to deal with people who may understand the technology they that is their stock in trade better than they do?<\/p>\n<p><!--more--><\/p>\n<p>I realize that is inflammatory &#8211; it&#8217;s deliberate: I&#8217;m trying to make a point here, so bear with me for a bit.  In my case, I actually AM formally trained in Education, having earned  my <a href=\"http:\/\/www.minkhollow.ca\/Thesis07\/doku.php?id=thesis:main\">PhD in Ed Tech<\/a>. Interestingly, I <em><strong>still<\/strong><\/em><strong> <\/strong>feel a  certain scorn from Ed.Tech people (particularly the Ed.Tech academics) who have the same terminal degree as I do, but  who <em><strong>also<\/strong><\/em> have a B.Ed (which I don&#8217;t) and who usually have <em>no <\/em>science or tech degrees (which I do). <a href=\"why-interdisciplinary-teams-often-don\u2019t-work-though-they-could\">I know that <strong>many<\/strong> disciplines do the same sort of thing and it is just as small-minded when they do it as it is when Ed.Tech&#8217;s do it, <\/a>but I do think there is a particular vitriol in the way <em>some<\/em> Ed.Tech&#8217;s talk about and indeed, treat technology and media specialists.<\/p>\n<p>I&#8217;ve already commented on the fact that I think <a href=\"edtech-is-an-i\u2026iplinary-field\/\">Ed Tech is an interdisciplinary field<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>I have lost count of the number of times I have heard <a href=\"http:\/\/girlprof.blogspot.com\/2010\/05\/should-we-filter-and-firewall-in.html\">Educators  blame their IT people for things <em><strong>they<\/strong><\/em> should take  responsibility for<\/a>, but don&#8217;t, or worse &#8211; <em><strong>can&#8217;t<\/strong><\/em>, usually because they don&#8217;t know enough about  tech to know whether what they are being told is realistic or just excuses.<\/p>\n<p>Now, I have no great fondness for the typical IT service  department &#8211; their primary motivation is keeping their jobs easy &#8211; but  if the groups to whom they are providing <em><strong>service <\/strong><\/em>don&#8217;t  know enough to see when they&#8217;re being treated as fools, then perhaps  they deserve it. IT is providing a <em><strong>service<\/strong><\/em>, not doing you favours! Thing is, you&#8217;ll never know if they&#8217;re just stringing you along if you don&#8217;t know enough about tech to tell the difference.<\/p>\n<p>Often, when there is an instructional development team, it is the Ed. Tech&#8217;s who seem to think they should be in charge. After all, the thing being built is an educational thing, right? The technology on which it is to be built is still basically treated as the carrier (or, to use <a href=\"http:\/\/www.cogtech.usc.edu\/\">Richard E. Clark<\/a>&#8216;s well-worn and oh-so-wrong analogy, the <em>vehicle<\/em>). It ends up well down the list of things to do during design and development, and the media specialists are often not brought in until the design is done. They are often treated as little more than the hired help.<\/p>\n<p>The more I look at instructional design and development, the more I think that this is one of the chief problems, if not the <em>actual key<\/em> to why so many of the educational objects that use new media are so unremarkable.<\/p>\n<h2>The Meduim and The Message MUST be One.<\/h2>\n<p>If you learn Ed. Tech formally, you will not get that.<\/p>\n<p>Personally, I blame the Ed. Tech departments at Universities. Problem is, many of the faculty now teaching Ed Tech don\u2019t know enough about tech themselves and so can\u2019t teach it. They do, however pass on the &#8216;attitude&#8217; that they are the only ones who know how to use tech for learning.<\/p>\n<p>There is a difference between being a tool <em><strong>maker<\/strong><\/em> and being a tool\u00a0 <em><strong>user<\/strong><\/em>, and, by and large, Ed.Tech&#8217;s are tool <em><strong>users<\/strong><\/em>. True, many &#8220;play&#8221;  with various forms of technology, but don&#8217;t actually use it to do their real work. Making your students keep blogs or build web pages or contribute to wikis does not count as doing real work. As a technical writing instructor, I made my students write reports. It&#8217;s important practice for the students, but it isn&#8217;t the same as writing a <em>real<\/em> report for a <em>real<\/em> client (which I have in fact done). Do you maintain your own blog, wiki, web site? That&#8217;s a step in the right direction. Yes I know, we&#8217;re all insanely busy, but you know, if you feel it is important, you will make time for it (says the girl who maintains numerous websites, a blog, an educational outreach program, a family,  a FARM, <em>and<\/em> who manages to publish numerous academic papers each year\u00a0 <em><strong>without<\/strong><\/em> research funding). As an Ed.Tech academic, your web presence is a very important part of your profile. Is it up to date? It only takes a few minutes once a week to keep it in shape, but I can&#8217;t tell you how many Ed.Tech&#8217;s I have come across that have pages they haven&#8217;t updated in years, or who don&#8217;t even look after their own profiles (the office staff in the department does it).<\/p>\n<p>Ed.Tech&#8217;s may complain that I.T. &amp; media specialists don&#8217;t give them much respect, but hey, if you want respect you have to <em><strong>walk the talk.<\/strong><\/em><\/p>\n<h2><em><strong>If you really want to do Ed.Tech you need to know Education AND you need to know Tech.<br \/>\n<\/strong><\/em><\/h2>\n<p><input id=\"gwProxy\" type=\"hidden\" \/> <input id=\"jsProxy\" onclick=\"if(typeof(jsCall)=='function'){jsCall();}else{setTimeout('jsCall()',500);}\" type=\"hidden\" \/> <input id=\"gwProxy\" type=\"hidden\" \/> <input id=\"jsProxy\" onclick=\"if(typeof(jsCall)=='function'){jsCall();}else{setTimeout('jsCall()',500);}\" type=\"hidden\" \/> <input id=\"gwProxy\" type=\"hidden\" \/> <input id=\"jsProxy\" onclick=\"if(typeof(jsCall)=='function'){jsCall();}else{setTimeout('jsCall()',500);}\" type=\"hidden\" \/><\/p>\n<div class='wp_likes' id='wp_likes_post-878'><a class='like' href=\"javascript:wp_likes.like(878);\" title='' ><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/minkhollow.ca\/beckerblog\/wp-content\/plugins\/wp-likes\/images\/like.png\" alt='' border='0'\/><\/a><span class='text'>Be the first to like.<\/span><\/p>\n<div class='like' ><a href=\"javascript:wp_likes.like(878);\">Like<\/a><\/div>\n<div class='unlike' ><a href=\"javascript:wp_likes.unlike(878);\">Unlike<\/a><\/div>\n<\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p><span class=\"span-reading-time rt-reading-time\" style=\"display: block;\"><span class=\"rt-label rt-prefix\">Approximate Reading Time: <\/span> <span class=\"rt-time\"> 3<\/span> <span class=\"rt-label rt-postfix\">minutes<\/span><\/span>Why do so many people in Ed Tech denigrate people who actually know tech? Isn&#8217;t knowing tech supposed to be a good thing? Do people with Education degrees feel that they are somehow better than the rest of us because &hellip; <a class=\"more-link\" href=\"http:\/\/minkhollow.ca\/beckerblog\/2010\/07\/21\/why-cant-edtechs-get-along-with-it-and-how-that-effects-education\/\">Continue reading <span class=\"meta-nav\">&rarr;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"jetpack_post_was_ever_published":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_access":"","_jetpack_dont_email_post_to_subs":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_tier_id":0,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paywalled_content":false,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":"","jetpack_publicize_message":"","jetpack_publicize_feature_enabled":true,"jetpack_social_post_already_shared":false,"jetpack_social_options":{"image_generator_settings":{"template":"highway","default_image_id":0,"font":"","enabled":false},"version":2}},"categories":[9,14,24],"tags":[388,41,389,15,395,16,53],"class_list":["post-878","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-educational-technology","category-general","category-teaching-learning","tag-academia","tag-education","tag-educational-technology","tag-higher-education","tag-information-technology","tag-instructional-design","tag-technology"],"jetpack_publicize_connections":[],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","jetpack_shortlink":"https:\/\/wp.me\/p4Hsb6-ea","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"jetpack-related-posts":[{"id":871,"url":"http:\/\/minkhollow.ca\/beckerblog\/2010\/07\/09\/edtech-is-an-interdisciplinary-field\/","url_meta":{"origin":878,"position":0},"title":"Ed Tech is an Interdisciplinary Field","author":"Katrin Becker","date":"July 9, 2010","format":false,"excerpt":"So why is it possible to get an Ed Tech degree by taking ONLY Education courses? It shouldn't be. IT\u00a0 (Information Technology), Education, Management, ... are all APPLIED disciplines \u2013 if all you know is the one of these, you only have half the picture. Managers need to know how\u2026","rel":"","context":"In &quot;Academia&quot;","block_context":{"text":"Academia","link":"http:\/\/minkhollow.ca\/beckerblog\/category\/academia\/"},"img":{"alt_text":"","src":"","width":0,"height":0},"classes":[]},{"id":3884,"url":"http:\/\/minkhollow.ca\/beckerblog\/2014\/09\/15\/the-becker-ed-tech-test-the-other-side-of-the-the-audrey-test-coin-part-0\/","url_meta":{"origin":878,"position":1},"title":"&#8220;The Becker Ed Tech Test&#8221;: The Other Side of the &#8220;The Audrey Test&#8221; Coin. (Part 0)","author":"Katrin Becker","date":"September 15, 2014","format":false,"excerpt":"When Audrey Waters was asked to create something similar to\u00a0Stack Overflow co-founder Joel Spolsky's \"Joel Test\". 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Having come from computer science and only recently introduced to 'formal' education (I\"ve been teaching at university for ~30 years), I was at first quite confused by the way education distinguishes between games and\u2026","rel":"","context":"In &quot;Educational Technology&quot;","block_context":{"text":"Educational Technology","link":"http:\/\/minkhollow.ca\/beckerblog\/category\/educational-technology\/"},"img":{"alt_text":"","src":"","width":0,"height":0},"classes":[]},{"id":1454,"url":"http:\/\/minkhollow.ca\/beckerblog\/2010\/11\/24\/educational-research-and-the-design-degree\/","url_meta":{"origin":878,"position":3},"title":"Educational Research and the Design Degree","author":"Katrin Becker","date":"November 24, 2010","format":false,"excerpt":"Mark Guzdial wrote a thoughtful post yesterday that pondered approaches to educational research that fail to address the domain specificity that lies at the core of so many educational challenges. Computing Education Research vs Real Education Research \u00ab Computing Education Blog. Among other things he mentioned the challenges faced by\u2026","rel":"","context":"In &quot;Academia&quot;","block_context":{"text":"Academia","link":"http:\/\/minkhollow.ca\/beckerblog\/category\/academia\/"},"img":{"alt_text":"","src":"","width":0,"height":0},"classes":[]},{"id":23,"url":"http:\/\/minkhollow.ca\/beckerblog\/2007\/08\/13\/i-am-an-ed-tech-heretic\/","url_meta":{"origin":878,"position":4},"title":"I am an Ed Tech heretic.","author":"Katrin Becker","date":"August 13, 2007","format":false,"excerpt":"Thank you Freeman Dyson. http:\/\/www.edge.org\/documents\/archive\/edge219.html#dysonf \"In the modern world, science and society often interact in a perverse way. We live in a technological society, and technology causes political problems. The politicians and the public expect science to provide answers to the problems. 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