{"id":4155,"date":"2014-08-09T10:42:43","date_gmt":"2014-08-09T16:42:43","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/minkhollow.ca\/beckerblog\/?p=4155"},"modified":"2014-09-12T11:57:02","modified_gmt":"2014-09-12T17:57:02","slug":"the-value-of-discussion","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/minkhollow.ca\/beckerblog\/2014\/08\/09\/the-value-of-discussion\/","title":{"rendered":"The Value of Discussion"},"content":{"rendered":"<span class=\"span-reading-time rt-reading-time\" style=\"display: block;\"><span class=\"rt-label rt-prefix\">Approximate Reading Time: <\/span> <span class=\"rt-time\"> 2<\/span> <span class=\"rt-label rt-postfix\">minutes<\/span><\/span><p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignright size-medium wp-image-4162\" src=\"http:\/\/minkhollow.ca\/beckerblog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/08\/CT23-300x143.png\" alt=\"CT23\" width=\"300\" height=\"143\" srcset=\"http:\/\/minkhollow.ca\/beckerblog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/08\/CT23-300x143.png 300w, http:\/\/minkhollow.ca\/beckerblog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/08\/CT23.png 490w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/>I often comment on the flaws of academia &#8211; the backstabbing, bullying, posturing, and so on. I have recently discovered (OK, don&#8217;t laugh) that the corporate world is worse &#8211; at least, when it comes to discussion.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/linkedin.com\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignleft size-full wp-image-4157\" src=\"http:\/\/minkhollow.ca\/beckerblog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/08\/snap01561.png\" alt=\"snap01561\" width=\"145\" height=\"48\" \/><\/a>I am a member of numerous groups on <a href=\"http:\/\/www.linkedin.com\/profile\/view?id=20047909\" target=\"_blank\">LinkedIn<\/a> and I sometimes contribute to discussions. Coming from academia and especially coming from science, I am more inclined to comment when I disagree than when I agree. I&#8217;ve never been a fan of those endless &#8220;Yay for You!&#8221; posts. They don&#8217;t add anything to a discussion, and many seem to just be kowtowing. I learn much more from following and contributing to a discussion where people have differing viewpoints. Say what you will about the Academy (and I&#8217;ve said plenty), many of the discussion forums I&#8217;m on allow for some pretty heated debates.<\/p>\n<p>Naturally I assumed that the same was the case on LinkedIn groups. Apparently not. I realize that what people often post to LinkedIn is a thinly disguised plug for their company or product. I&#8217;m OK with that, so long as it&#8217;s not too blatant. However, I&#8217;ve discovered that some of these posters &#8211; often ones ranked as &#8220;top contributors&#8221; &#8211; shut down discussion if it disagrees with them.<\/p>\n<p>A few weeks ago I saw a post where the poster used a story to illustrate an example and it turned out that the example had come from somewhere else. Being an academic, I suggested he credit the original source of the story. Instead of taking advantage of an opportunity to make himself look good by crediting the original source, he sent me a private message asking me to remove my comment because it detracted from the &#8220;message&#8221;.<\/p>\n<p>There have been a few posts on gamification that have been broadcast to numerous groups &#8211; <a href=\"http:\/\/www.3dseriousgamesandsimulations.com\/blog\/comparing-gamification-serious-games-and-simulations\/?goback=.gde_137156_member_5900795637783351300\" target=\"_blank\">one on the definitions of gamification, serious games, and simulations<\/a>, and another claiming that <a href=\"http:\/\/www.gamification.co\/2014\/08\/06\/gamification-scientifically-validated-now\/?utm_content=buffer2e061&amp;utm_medium=social&amp;utm_source=linkedin.com&amp;utm_campaign=buffer\" target=\"_blank\">gamification has been scientifically verified<\/a> (no, really). I&#8217;ll say what I think of these in separate posts, and you can decide for yourself. What prompted THIS post is the fact that I am now begin moderated on all the lists where these two posts appeared.<img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignright size-medium wp-image-4160\" src=\"http:\/\/minkhollow.ca\/beckerblog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/08\/snap01560-300x135.png\" alt=\"snap01560\" width=\"300\" height=\"135\" srcset=\"http:\/\/minkhollow.ca\/beckerblog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/08\/snap01560-300x135.png 300w, http:\/\/minkhollow.ca\/beckerblog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/08\/snap01560.png 329w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/> My posts were neither spam, nor were they irrelevant. However, they did not agree with the line these folks were trying to feed us.<\/p>\n<p>Now, most of the time, in the Academy, this is how we start discussions. If everyone agrees with what we are saying, there&#8217;s nothing to discuss. It&#8217;s often when people disagree that the really interesting ideas come up. Apparently, the authors of these posts chose to have me censored rather than address my comments (or learn something new?).<\/p>\n<p>Sad, really. Had they responded instead of trying to shut me down, I might not have written this post.<\/p>\n<p>I also wouldn&#8217;t remember them as people I never want to do business with or as people I will warn others to avoid. Somehow, I don&#8217;t think that was their goal.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<div class='wp_likes' id='wp_likes_post-4155'><a class='like' href=\"javascript:wp_likes.like(4155);\" title='' ><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/minkhollow.ca\/beckerblog\/wp-content\/plugins\/wp-likes\/images\/like.png\" alt='' border='0'\/><\/a><span class='text'>Be the first to like.<\/span><\/p>\n<div class='like' ><a href=\"javascript:wp_likes.like(4155);\">Like<\/a><\/div>\n<div class='unlike' ><a href=\"javascript:wp_likes.unlike(4155);\">Unlike<\/a><\/div>\n<\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p><span class=\"span-reading-time rt-reading-time\" style=\"display: block;\"><span class=\"rt-label rt-prefix\">Approximate Reading Time: <\/span> <span class=\"rt-time\"> 2<\/span> <span class=\"rt-label rt-postfix\">minutes<\/span><\/span>I often comment on the flaws of academia &#8211; the backstabbing, bullying, posturing, and so on. I have recently discovered (OK, don&#8217;t laugh) that the corporate world is worse &#8211; at least, when it comes to discussion. I am a &hellip; <a class=\"more-link\" href=\"http:\/\/minkhollow.ca\/beckerblog\/2014\/08\/09\/the-value-of-discussion\/\">Continue reading <span class=\"meta-nav\">&rarr;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_jetpack_newsletter_access":"","_jetpack_dont_email_post_to_subs":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_tier_id":0,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paywalled_content":false,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":"","jetpack_publicize_message":"","jetpack_publicize_feature_enabled":true,"jetpack_social_post_already_shared":true,"jetpack_social_options":{"image_generator_settings":{"template":"highway","default_image_id":0,"font":"","enabled":false},"version":2},"jetpack_post_was_ever_published":false},"categories":[3,9,352,14,24],"tags":[262,126,118],"class_list":["post-4155","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-academia","category-educational-technology","category-gamification-2","category-general","category-teaching-learning","tag-corporate-training","tag-gamification","tag-social-media"],"jetpack_publicize_connections":[],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","jetpack_shortlink":"https:\/\/wp.me\/p4Hsb6-151","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"jetpack-related-posts":[{"id":2123,"url":"http:\/\/minkhollow.ca\/beckerblog\/2012\/04\/14\/where-ive-been-this-week-weekly-2\/","url_meta":{"origin":4155,"position":0},"title":"Where I&#8217;ve Been This Week (weekly)","author":"Katrin Becker","date":"April 14, 2012","format":false,"excerpt":"What Professors Make - Labor & Work-Life Issues - The Chronicle of Higher Education 2012 Faculty Salary Survey tags: data salaries academia Gamasutra - Features - Gamification: Framing The Discussion [As a prelude to a full-on examination of gamification, Badgeville's Tony Ventrice digs deep into what makes games games, using\u2026","rel":"","context":"In &quot;Academia&quot;","block_context":{"text":"Academia","link":"http:\/\/minkhollow.ca\/beckerblog\/category\/academia\/"},"img":{"alt_text":"","src":"","width":0,"height":0},"classes":[]},{"id":5540,"url":"http:\/\/minkhollow.ca\/beckerblog\/2015\/09\/14\/gamification-10111-course-spaces\/","url_meta":{"origin":4155,"position":1},"title":"Gamification 101[11]: Course Spaces","author":"Katrin Becker","date":"September 14, 2015","format":false,"excerpt":"This is Part 11 in my continuing saga of my current iteration of a gamified course. The first class is today, and I think I'm pretty much ready. 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Term has started. The last day to change classes is tomorrow, so I'll go through the discussion group, website, all the quest logs, etc. then to make sure only the registered students have access. I also need to\u2026","rel":"","context":"In &quot;Academia&quot;","block_context":{"text":"Academia","link":"http:\/\/minkhollow.ca\/beckerblog\/category\/academia\/"},"img":{"alt_text":"snap01534","src":"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/minkhollow.ca\/beckerblog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/07\/snap01534-300x58.png?resize=350%2C200","width":350,"height":200,"srcset":"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/minkhollow.ca\/beckerblog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/07\/snap01534-300x58.png?resize=350%2C200 1x, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/minkhollow.ca\/beckerblog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/07\/snap01534-300x58.png?resize=525%2C300 1.5x"},"classes":[]},{"id":5897,"url":"http:\/\/minkhollow.ca\/beckerblog\/2015\/11\/05\/gamification-10119-mid-term-reality-check\/","url_meta":{"origin":4155,"position":3},"title":"Gamification 101[19]: Mid-Term Reality Check","author":"Katrin Becker","date":"November 5, 2015","format":false,"excerpt":"This is Part 19 in my continuing saga of my current iteration of a gamified course. We have just passed the midway point in the course and things are mostly going well. We're in week 7 out of 13. Attendance: The good: Attendance remains quite strong - I have somewhat\u2026","rel":"","context":"In &quot;Academia&quot;","block_context":{"text":"Academia","link":"http:\/\/minkhollow.ca\/beckerblog\/category\/academia\/"},"img":{"alt_text":"auditorium-572776_1920","src":"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/minkhollow.ca\/beckerblog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/11\/auditorium-572776_1920-300x118.jpg?resize=350%2C200","width":350,"height":200},"classes":[]},{"id":5952,"url":"http:\/\/minkhollow.ca\/beckerblog\/2015\/11\/02\/gamification-what-are-the-motivators-of-those-designing-and-delivering-this-gamified-training\/","url_meta":{"origin":4155,"position":4},"title":"Gamification: What are the motivators of those designing and delivering this gamified training?","author":"Katrin Becker","date":"November 2, 2015","format":false,"excerpt":"I happened across some posts by noted Gamification advocate Karl Kapp\u00a0the other day. I'll talk more about those in upcoming posts. 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