{"id":2695,"date":"2012-09-01T10:35:16","date_gmt":"2012-09-01T16:35:16","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/minkhollow.ca\/beckerblog\/?p=2695"},"modified":"2014-09-12T11:50:31","modified_gmt":"2014-09-12T17:50:31","slug":"more-on-why-teachers-need-to-be-able-to-give-zeros","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/minkhollow.ca\/beckerblog\/2012\/09\/01\/more-on-why-teachers-need-to-be-able-to-give-zeros\/","title":{"rendered":"More on why teachers need to be able to give zeros&#8230;.."},"content":{"rendered":"<span class=\"span-reading-time rt-reading-time\" style=\"display: block;\"><span class=\"rt-label rt-prefix\">Approximate Reading Time: <\/span> <span class=\"rt-time\"> 2<\/span> <span class=\"rt-label rt-postfix\">minutes<\/span><\/span><p>In June, an <a title=\"Global Edmonton | Student gets a zero: Teacher gets suspended\" href=\"http:\/\/minkhollow.ca\/beckerblog\/2012\/06\/01\/global-edmonton-student-gets-a-zero-teacher-gets-suspended\/\">Edmonton teacher (Lynden Dorval) wa suspended from his job<\/a> because he refused to stop giving zeroes to students who didn&#8217;t hand in work.<a title=\"On Giving Zeros to Students\" href=\"http:\/\/minkhollow.ca\/beckerblog\/2012\/06\/12\/on-giving-zeros-to-students\/\"> I posted a reaction to that here<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>His hearing is coming up in a little over a week, and he may get fired.\u00a0 The <a href=\"http:\/\/www.cbc.ca\/news\/canada\/edmonton\/story\/2012\/06\/26\/edmonton-school-board-meeting-no-zero.html\">Edmonton School Board is going to review their policy<\/a> although I suspect they will do almost anything to avoid admitting they were wrong about something and will decide that the status quo is just fine. Of course, the official institutions like the <a href=\"http:\/\/educ.ucalgary.ca\" target=\"_blank\">U of Calgary<\/a> are <a href=\"http:\/\/www.albertaprimetime.com\/Stories.aspx?pd=3842\" target=\"_blank\">quick to support the status quo<\/a>. Dr. Friesen sounds like she&#8217;s trying to run for public office. Lots of words; very little real information.<\/p>\n<p data-ft=\"{&quot;type&quot;:2,&quot;tn&quot;:&quot;:&quot;}\">There&#8217;s a <a href=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/groups\/476392039042899\/\" target=\"_blank\">FaceBook support group for Mr. Dorval<\/a><\/p>\n<p data-ft=\"{&quot;type&quot;:2,&quot;tn&quot;:&quot;:&quot;}\">Here are a few comments that really resonated with me:<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<div data-ft=\"{&quot;type&quot;:2,&quot;tn&quot;:&quot;:&quot;}\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/geoff.powell\" data-ft=\"{&quot;tn&quot;:&quot;;&quot;}\" data-hovercard=\"\/ajax\/hovercard\/user.php?id=1001508143\">Geoff Powell<\/a><\/div>\n<div>I don&#8217;t have a scholarly education, I&#8217;m an electrician. I&#8217;ve worked in construction, in industry &amp; in service. I&#8217;m appalled even with those who go into the trades who can&#8217;t read and write yet have a high school diploma, not a GED but an actual diploma. I&#8217;ve had teacher friends who I&#8217;ve told (when i operated my own business) to tell their classes that I won&#8217;t hire a person who can&#8217;t tead or write and who can&#8217;t do simple math in their head. Like the times table, like measuring a room length and dividing it in 2 or 3 to space out lights. I also wouldn&#8217;t hire somebody who couldn&#8217;t write properly because they couldn&#8217;t fill out service reports that were a) legible and b) I couldn&#8217;t make sense of in order to send an invoice. Even if the people who&#8217;ve worked with me could read, write properly and do simple math in their head; if they consistently didn&#8217;t finish projects on time or at all guess what, I would fire their a*s because they cost me money. No sense of entitlement working in the real world, it&#8217;s time these coddled kids grew up and these intellectuals who run our education system got fired and got a real world education themselves.<\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div>&#8230;&#8230;<\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div>(Those) who are vocationally minded (&#8230;)\u00a0 often feel it doesn&#8217;t matter if they know how to write properly etc. It does matter and now I sit back and observe (I&#8217;m a people watcher and currently work in an ice cream factory) and see people in factory environments who struggle with basic communication skills, like all their writing and notations are a text message on their cell phone. Nothing to me is more irritating than someone who can&#8217;t be bothered to write proper words in a report. Short forms and abbreviations are of course acceptable but stuff like &#8221; ur&#8221; isn&#8217;t.<\/div>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>Communication skills are key &#8211; no matter what you end up doing in your life.<\/p>\n<p>Self-esteem is built by real achievement &#8211; NOT by patting kids on the head and saying &#8220;It&#8217;s OK, we&#8217;ll let you continue because we know you could have done it if you&#8217;d only&#8230; well&#8230; you know&#8230;. ACTUALLY DONE THE WORK.&#8221;<\/p>\n<div class='wp_likes' id='wp_likes_post-2695'><a class='like' href=\"javascript:wp_likes.like(2695);\" title='' ><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/minkhollow.ca\/beckerblog\/wp-content\/plugins\/wp-likes\/images\/like.png\" alt='' border='0'\/><\/a><span class='text'>Be the first to like.<\/span><\/p>\n<div class='like' ><a href=\"javascript:wp_likes.like(2695);\">Like<\/a><\/div>\n<div class='unlike' ><a href=\"javascript:wp_likes.unlike(2695);\">Unlike<\/a><\/div>\n<\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p><span class=\"span-reading-time rt-reading-time\" style=\"display: block;\"><span class=\"rt-label rt-prefix\">Approximate Reading Time: <\/span> <span class=\"rt-time\"> 2<\/span> <span class=\"rt-label rt-postfix\">minutes<\/span><\/span>In June, an Edmonton teacher (Lynden Dorval) wa suspended from his job because he refused to stop giving zeroes to students who didn&#8217;t hand in work. I posted a reaction to that here. His hearing is coming up in a &hellip; <a class=\"more-link\" href=\"http:\/\/minkhollow.ca\/beckerblog\/2012\/09\/01\/more-on-why-teachers-need-to-be-able-to-give-zeros\/\">Continue reading <span class=\"meta-nav\">&rarr;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"jetpack_post_was_ever_published":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_access":"","_jetpack_dont_email_post_to_subs":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_tier_id":0,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paywalled_content":false,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":"","jetpack_publicize_message":"","jetpack_publicize_feature_enabled":true,"jetpack_social_post_already_shared":false,"jetpack_social_options":{"image_generator_settings":{"template":"highway","default_image_id":0,"font":"","enabled":false},"version":2}},"categories":[9,14,24],"tags":[389,152,393],"class_list":["post-2695","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-educational-technology","category-general","category-teaching-learning","tag-educational-technology","tag-teachers","tag-teaching-learning"],"jetpack_publicize_connections":[],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","jetpack_shortlink":"https:\/\/wp.me\/p4Hsb6-Ht","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"jetpack-related-posts":[{"id":3830,"url":"http:\/\/minkhollow.ca\/beckerblog\/2014\/03\/16\/alberta-education-shrugs-off-concerns-from-teachers-and-parents-that-theres-something-very-wrong-with-albertas-new-math-curriculum-edmonton-journal\/","url_meta":{"origin":2695,"position":0},"title":"Alberta Education shrugs off concerns from teachers and parents that there\u2019s something very wrong with Alberta\u2019s new math curriculum | Edmonton Journal","author":"Katrin Becker","date":"March 16, 2014","format":false,"excerpt":"Alberta Education shrugs off concerns from teachers and parents that there\u2019s something very wrong with Alberta\u2019s new math curriculum | Edmonton Journal. So, big surprise!! Too much emphasis on \"discovery\" learning results in kids who don't understand the fundamentals. Clearly, they are consulting with the WRONG people on education. Hint:\u2026","rel":"","context":"In &quot;Educational Technology&quot;","block_context":{"text":"Educational Technology","link":"http:\/\/minkhollow.ca\/beckerblog\/category\/educational-technology\/"},"img":{"alt_text":"","src":"","width":0,"height":0},"classes":[]},{"id":2218,"url":"http:\/\/minkhollow.ca\/beckerblog\/2012\/06\/01\/global-edmonton-student-gets-a-zero-teacher-gets-suspended\/","url_meta":{"origin":2695,"position":1},"title":"Global Edmonton | Student gets a zero: Teacher gets suspended","author":"Katrin Becker","date":"June 1, 2012","format":false,"excerpt":"via Global Edmonton | Student gets a zero: Teacher gets suspended. 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Some new numbers worth looking at.","rel":"","context":"In &quot;Educational Technology&quot;","block_context":{"text":"Educational Technology","link":"http:\/\/minkhollow.ca\/beckerblog\/category\/educational-technology\/"},"img":{"alt_text":"","src":"","width":0,"height":0},"classes":[]},{"id":3288,"url":"http:\/\/minkhollow.ca\/beckerblog\/2013\/03\/10\/cargo-cult-education\/","url_meta":{"origin":2695,"position":3},"title":"Cargo Cult Education","author":"Katrin Becker","date":"March 10, 2013","format":false,"excerpt":"Evolution of educational technology infographic - Irish Innovation News \u2013 Siliconrepublic.com. First, this is a very US centric view. Also, it is focused almost entirely on devices rather than their uses. That's part of the whole problem with Ed Tech - people are too impressed with the Technology and not\u2026","rel":"","context":"In &quot;Computers&quot;","block_context":{"text":"Computers","link":"http:\/\/minkhollow.ca\/beckerblog\/category\/computers-2\/"},"img":{"alt_text":"","src":"","width":0,"height":0},"classes":[]},{"id":3813,"url":"http:\/\/minkhollow.ca\/beckerblog\/2014\/03\/04\/stephen-downes-comment-on-the-post-article-does-discovery-learning-prepare-alberta-students-for-the-21st-century-or-will-it-toss-out-a-top-tier-education-system\/","url_meta":{"origin":2695,"position":4},"title":"Stephen Downes&#8217; comment on the Post Article: Does \u2018discovery learning\u2019 prepare Alberta students for the 21st century or will it toss out a top tier education system?","author":"Katrin Becker","date":"March 4, 2014","format":false,"excerpt":"~ Stephen's Web. 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I have long thought that \"talent\" is something people are born with - they may have more or less, but without enough of it, no amount of\u2026","rel":"","context":"In &quot;Educational Technology&quot;","block_context":{"text":"Educational Technology","link":"http:\/\/minkhollow.ca\/beckerblog\/category\/educational-technology\/"},"img":{"alt_text":"","src":"","width":0,"height":0},"classes":[]},{"id":3628,"url":"http:\/\/minkhollow.ca\/beckerblog\/2013\/07\/12\/wholesale-adoption-of-ipads-by-schools-a-mistake-educational-technology-and-change-journal\/","url_meta":{"origin":2695,"position":5},"title":"Wholesale Adoption of iPads by Schools a Mistake | Educational Technology and Change Journal","author":"Katrin Becker","date":"July 12, 2013","format":false,"excerpt":"Wholesale Adoption of iPads by Schools a Mistake | Educational Technology and Change Journal. YES! YES! YES! See my own reasons for why the iPad is not the answer here. Others are saying similar things. 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