{"id":1996,"date":"2012-01-25T09:44:27","date_gmt":"2012-01-25T16:44:27","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/minkhollow.ca\/beckerblog\/?p=1996"},"modified":"2014-09-12T11:48:49","modified_gmt":"2014-09-12T17:48:49","slug":"choose-education-or-fun-apparently-you-cant-have-both","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/minkhollow.ca\/beckerblog\/2012\/01\/25\/choose-education-or-fun-apparently-you-cant-have-both\/","title":{"rendered":"Choose: Education OR Fun. Apparently, you can&#8217;t have both."},"content":{"rendered":"<span class=\"span-reading-time rt-reading-time\" style=\"display: block;\"><span class=\"rt-label rt-prefix\">Approximate Reading Time: <\/span> <span class=\"rt-time\"> &lt; 1<\/span> <span class=\"rt-label rt-postfix\">minute<\/span><\/span><p>I&#8217;ve talked about this before (<a title=\"Trading off between Education and Fun??? SRSLY?\" href=\"http:\/\/minkhollow.ca\/beckerblog\/2011\/04\/14\/trading-off-between-education-and-fun-srsly\/\">Trading off between Education and Fun??? SRSLY?<\/a>, and <a title=\"FUN Should NOT be an \u2018F\u2019-Word\" href=\"http:\/\/minkhollow.ca\/beckerblog\/2011\/06\/22\/fun-should-not-be-an-f-word\/\">FUN Should NOT be an \u2018F\u2019-Word<\/a>). I even wrote about this in my <a href=\"http:\/\/books.minkhollow.ca\">book<\/a>.<\/p>\n<div id=\"attachment_1698\" style=\"width: 310px\" class=\"wp-caption alignleft\"><a href=\"http:\/\/minkhollow.ca\/beckerblog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/06\/ed-fun-contunuum.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-1698\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-1698\" title=\"ed-fun-contunuum\" src=\"http:\/\/minkhollow.ca\/beckerblog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/06\/ed-fun-contunuum-300x166.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"166\" srcset=\"http:\/\/minkhollow.ca\/beckerblog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/06\/ed-fun-contunuum-300x166.png 300w, http:\/\/minkhollow.ca\/beckerblog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/06\/ed-fun-contunuum.png 683w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><p id=\"caption-attachment-1698\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">The &quot;Serious Games Continuum&quot;<\/p><\/div>\n<p>Many people in Education seem to believe that fun and education are at odds with each other.<\/p>\n<p>It&#8217;s discouraging that this fallacy is so tenacious.<\/p>\n<p>I got an offer in the mail today to answer a challenge to create an &#8220;idea for how interactive technology and game-based learning can improve teaching and learning&#8221;. I won&#8217;t name the source because it is not my intent to single them out. I have no desire to embarrass anyone. Here is the line that caught my eye:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>&#8230;games could be as engaging as launching birds at pigs<br \/>\nand as educational as reading a textbook&#8230;<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>WOW.<\/p>\n<p>Yes it&#8217;s true that <a href=\"http:\/\/www.rovio.com\/en\/our-work\/games\/view\/1\/angry-birds\" target=\"_blank\">Angry Birds<\/a> is a lot of fun. I&#8217;m not sure it should be touted as the epitome of engagement &#8211; a big part of what makes it so much fun is that it asks very little of the player &#8211; it doesn&#8217;t take long to do a round, and you don&#8217;t need to know anything (not really). On the other hand, it&#8217;s definitely worth looking at some of the things that make it so good: the audio, the interface is easy to understand, the gameplay is clean and accurate, &#8230;. We can learn from that, but there are other games I would use as examples of engaging &#8211; <a href=\"http:\/\/www.thinkwithportals.com\/\" target=\"_blank\">Portal<\/a> maybe, or <a href=\"http:\/\/www.elderscrolls.com\/skyrim\/\" target=\"_blank\">Skyrim<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>But that&#8217;s not my big beef. My BIG beef is the second part: <em><strong>as educational as reading a textbook<\/strong><\/em>. Really? REALLY?!<\/p>\n<p>I guess if people believe that textbooks are the epitome of &#8220;educational&#8221;, then the Ed-Fun continuum is not a surprize.<\/p>\n<p>We have a long, LONG way to go.<\/p>\n<div class='wp_likes' id='wp_likes_post-1996'><a class='like' href=\"javascript:wp_likes.like(1996);\" title='' ><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/minkhollow.ca\/beckerblog\/wp-content\/plugins\/wp-likes\/images\/like.png\" alt='' border='0'\/><\/a><span class='text'>Be the first to like.<\/span><\/p>\n<div class='like' ><a href=\"javascript:wp_likes.like(1996);\">Like<\/a><\/div>\n<div class='unlike' ><a href=\"javascript:wp_likes.unlike(1996);\">Unlike<\/a><\/div>\n<\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p><span class=\"span-reading-time rt-reading-time\" style=\"display: block;\"><span class=\"rt-label rt-prefix\">Approximate Reading Time: <\/span> <span class=\"rt-time\"> &lt; 1<\/span> <span class=\"rt-label rt-postfix\">minute<\/span><\/span>I&#8217;ve talked about this before (Trading off between Education and Fun??? SRSLY?, and FUN Should NOT be an \u2018F\u2019-Word). I even wrote about this in my book. Many people in Education seem to believe that fun and education are at &hellip; <a class=\"more-link\" href=\"http:\/\/minkhollow.ca\/beckerblog\/2012\/01\/25\/choose-education-or-fun-apparently-you-cant-have-both\/\">Continue reading <span class=\"meta-nav\">&rarr;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"jetpack_post_was_ever_published":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_access":"","_jetpack_dont_email_post_to_subs":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_tier_id":0,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paywalled_content":false,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":"","jetpack_publicize_message":"","jetpack_publicize_feature_enabled":true,"jetpack_social_post_already_shared":false,"jetpack_social_options":{"image_generator_settings":{"template":"highway","default_image_id":0,"font":"","enabled":false},"version":2}},"categories":[9,12,14,24],"tags":[162,41,49,154,393],"class_list":["post-1996","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-educational-technology","category-games","category-general","category-teaching-learning","tag-ed-vs-fun","tag-education","tag-fail","tag-fun","tag-teaching-learning"],"jetpack_publicize_connections":[],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","jetpack_shortlink":"https:\/\/wp.me\/p4Hsb6-wc","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"jetpack-related-posts":[{"id":1665,"url":"http:\/\/minkhollow.ca\/beckerblog\/2011\/04\/14\/trading-off-between-education-and-fun-srsly\/","url_meta":{"origin":1996,"position":0},"title":"Trading off between Education and Fun??? SRSLY?","author":"Katrin Becker","date":"April 14, 2011","format":false,"excerpt":"The Wall Must Come Down | Learning From Hollywood. Some years ago I did a survey with public school teachers to see if they were using games in school, and if not, why not. Some of the obvious and significant barriers were highlighted: lack of admin support, lack of resources,\u2026","rel":"","context":"In &quot;Educational Technology&quot;","block_context":{"text":"Educational Technology","link":"http:\/\/minkhollow.ca\/beckerblog\/category\/educational-technology\/"},"img":{"alt_text":"","src":"","width":0,"height":0},"classes":[]},{"id":5291,"url":"http:\/\/minkhollow.ca\/beckerblog\/2015\/08\/11\/is-fun-really-necessary-for-serious-games\/","url_meta":{"origin":1996,"position":1},"title":"Is Fun Really Necessary for Serious Games?","author":"Katrin Becker","date":"August 11, 2015","format":false,"excerpt":"Many people in Education seem to believe that fun and education are at odds with each other. Some years ago I did a survey with public school teachers to see if they were using games in school, and if not, why not. Some of the obvious and significant barriers were\u2026","rel":"","context":"In &quot;Educational Technology&quot;","block_context":{"text":"Educational Technology","link":"http:\/\/minkhollow.ca\/beckerblog\/category\/educational-technology\/"},"img":{"alt_text":"The \"Serious Games Continuum\"","src":"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/minkhollow.ca\/beckerblog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/06\/ed-fun-contunuum-300x166.png?resize=350%2C200","width":350,"height":200},"classes":[]},{"id":1696,"url":"http:\/\/minkhollow.ca\/beckerblog\/2011\/06\/22\/fun-should-not-be-an-f-word\/","url_meta":{"origin":1996,"position":2},"title":"FUN Should NOT be an &#8216;F&#8217;-Word","author":"Katrin Becker","date":"June 22, 2011","format":false,"excerpt":"... but, sadly, it appears it still is. Playing with Reality at the Learning and Entertainment Evolution Forum - ProfHacker - The Chronicle of Higher Education. The opening keynote by Nathan Verrill, co-founder of Natron Baxter, set the tone for applied gaming as he pointed out that \u201cFor many people,\u2026","rel":"","context":"In &quot;Educational Technology&quot;","block_context":{"text":"Educational Technology","link":"http:\/\/minkhollow.ca\/beckerblog\/category\/educational-technology\/"},"img":{"alt_text":"","src":"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/minkhollow.ca\/beckerblog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/06\/ed-fun-contunuum-300x166.png?resize=350%2C200","width":350,"height":200},"classes":[]},{"id":5295,"url":"http:\/\/minkhollow.ca\/beckerblog\/2015\/08\/12\/is-learning-really-work-or-is-it-education-that-is-work\/","url_meta":{"origin":1996,"position":3},"title":"Is Learning Really Work, or is it Education that is Work?","author":"Katrin Becker","date":"August 12, 2015","format":false,"excerpt":"Jim Gee says, \"When we think of games, we think of fun. When we think of learning we think of work\". (P. 43, 2007, Good Video Games + Good Learning) Is that really true? Somewhere along the line kids begin to associate what they do in school with \"work\", where\u2026","rel":"","context":"In &quot;Academia&quot;","block_context":{"text":"Academia","link":"http:\/\/minkhollow.ca\/beckerblog\/category\/academia\/"},"img":{"alt_text":"","src":"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/minkhollow.ca\/beckerblog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/08\/ID-10097423.jpg?resize=350%2C200","width":350,"height":200},"classes":[]},{"id":4126,"url":"http:\/\/minkhollow.ca\/beckerblog\/2014\/07\/27\/taylor-francis-online-do-learners-really-know-best-urban-legends-in-education-educational-psychologist-volume-48-issue-3\/","url_meta":{"origin":1996,"position":4},"title":"Taylor &#038; Francis Online :: Do Learners Really Know Best? Urban Legends in Education &#8211; Educational Psychologist &#8211; Volume 48, Issue 3","author":"Katrin Becker","date":"July 27, 2014","format":false,"excerpt":"Taylor & Francis Online :: Do Learners Really Know Best? Urban Legends in Education - Educational Psychologist - Volume 48, Issue 3. Digital Natives, Learning Styles, Self-Educators. Yup. None of these are backed up by any data. I have great respect for Marc Prensky, but the more we learn about\u2026","rel":"","context":"In &quot;Academia&quot;","block_context":{"text":"Academia","link":"http:\/\/minkhollow.ca\/beckerblog\/category\/academia\/"},"img":{"alt_text":"","src":"","width":0,"height":0},"classes":[]},{"id":6501,"url":"http:\/\/minkhollow.ca\/beckerblog\/2017\/08\/05\/5-mistaken-differences-between-education-games-and-the-gamification-of-education\/","url_meta":{"origin":1996,"position":5},"title":"5 mistaken differences between education games and the gamification of education","author":"Katrin Becker","date":"August 5, 2017","format":false,"excerpt":"And 12 ways in which these ideas are problematic. Gamification is generally defined as the use of game design elements in non-game contexts. Fair enough. But this is pretty much where the article goes off the rails. (She's not alone). Source: 5 differences between education games and the gamification of\u2026","rel":"","context":"In &quot;Academia&quot;","block_context":{"text":"Academia","link":"http:\/\/minkhollow.ca\/beckerblog\/category\/academia\/"},"img":{"alt_text":"","src":"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.pearsoned.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/Education-games-or-gamification-of-education.png?resize=350%2C200&ssl=1","width":350,"height":200,"srcset":"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.pearsoned.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/Education-games-or-gamification-of-education.png?resize=350%2C200&ssl=1 1x, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.pearsoned.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/Education-games-or-gamification-of-education.png?resize=525%2C300&ssl=1 1.5x"},"classes":[]}],"jetpack_likes_enabled":true,"_links":{"self":[{"href":"http:\/\/minkhollow.ca\/beckerblog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1996","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"http:\/\/minkhollow.ca\/beckerblog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"http:\/\/minkhollow.ca\/beckerblog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/minkhollow.ca\/beckerblog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/minkhollow.ca\/beckerblog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=1996"}],"version-history":[{"count":2,"href":"http:\/\/minkhollow.ca\/beckerblog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1996\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":2850,"href":"http:\/\/minkhollow.ca\/beckerblog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1996\/revisions\/2850"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"http:\/\/minkhollow.ca\/beckerblog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=1996"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/minkhollow.ca\/beckerblog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=1996"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/minkhollow.ca\/beckerblog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=1996"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}